darker. john boehner says it may not only be tough for a lame duck congress to piece together a deal, it would also be a wrong deal for the country. in the interview, john boehner says about that, it is a difficult thing to do, and frankly i'm not sure it is the right thing to do, have a lot of retiring members voting on big bi bills. johnathan, good day to you. >> good afternoon. >> is this making you angry, leaders thinking we should fall over this fiscal cliff? is that what they want? >> well, the part of this that is new is the idea that he is opposed to any kind of deal in principle, because it occurs after the election, but before the new lawmakers have taken office. we always knew that the two sides were far apart, but you know, now it looks even worse. on the other side you have senator patty murray, saying that she is ready to go over the fiscal cliff in order to secure tax increases on the wealthy, so it does look pretty dire at this stage. >> so januaohnathan, look, john boehner is a seasoned politician, do you think this is the new hand he is using to strengthen their pol